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		<title>Comment on Loaded communication by Munna</title>
		<link>http://climatenoise.wordpress.com/2008/12/08/loaded-communication/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>Munna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I know is, there is no time left for fighting. If black suits think activists are punks, let them. If they brand it as environmental terrorism, let them. I like the point made in this blog that we have had enough of jargon.
And who did what is not going to solve it. This is not the time to say industrialized nations did it, so we should have our chance...
We have always took pride in the fact that we are a &#039;wise&#039; nation. Now is the time to do things that show it.
We need practical solutions, ingenious solutions that can make the world go, wow!
This is not the time to fight. This is the time to stand united as we go down. One bad weather at a time. One less monsoon at a time.
Damn! How did we come to this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I know is, there is no time left for fighting. If black suits think activists are punks, let them. If they brand it as environmental terrorism, let them. I like the point made in this blog that we have had enough of jargon.<br />
And who did what is not going to solve it. This is not the time to say industrialized nations did it, so we should have our chance&#8230;<br />
We have always took pride in the fact that we are a &#8216;wise&#8217; nation. Now is the time to do things that show it.<br />
We need practical solutions, ingenious solutions that can make the world go, wow!<br />
This is not the time to fight. This is the time to stand united as we go down. One bad weather at a time. One less monsoon at a time.<br />
Damn! How did we come to this?</p>
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		<title>Comment on WWW by Preeti singh</title>
		<link>http://climatenoise.wordpress.com/2008/12/07/www/#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator>Preeti singh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The west is shouting itself hoarse, calling attention to the environmental degradation ensuing in china, courtesy: thegrowing chinese GDP.
putting aside the fact that most of the sino indusrial growth is driven by lifestyles and consumption of the west, 
why are we risking the G-77&#039;s stand by sheltering the world&#039;s current highest emitter of CO2?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The west is shouting itself hoarse, calling attention to the environmental degradation ensuing in china, courtesy: thegrowing chinese GDP.<br />
putting aside the fact that most of the sino indusrial growth is driven by lifestyles and consumption of the west,<br />
why are we risking the G-77&#8217;s stand by sheltering the world&#8217;s current highest emitter of CO2?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Loaded communication by Pratap Pandey</title>
		<link>http://climatenoise.wordpress.com/2008/12/08/loaded-communication/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>Pratap Pandey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let us call it the totemic inability of western civil society groups to do anything other than tug at the heartstrings of possible viewers, who might then feel bad enough to loosen their pursestrings in the cause of the poleaxed bear.

At another level, we can read such splendid, because vapid, isolation as a metaphor for the Poznan conference itself. The western media is already calling it a no-go. Already, it has been columnised that Obama might not be ready even for Copenhagen (irrespective of what Dobriansky and Co. do or do not do at Poznan). The focus of Europe is on the EU climate deal currently being hammered out under Sarkozy&#039;s straying gaze. 9 eastern european nations have already refused to wilt under his non-seeing eyes.

All eyeballs are on December 11 and 12: no, not on the Poznan ministerial, but on the summit at Brussles where EU+15 must convince EU+27 on a plan to cut GHG emissions.

Bear with the bear. The world itself has been neatly poleaxed this time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let us call it the totemic inability of western civil society groups to do anything other than tug at the heartstrings of possible viewers, who might then feel bad enough to loosen their pursestrings in the cause of the poleaxed bear.</p>
<p>At another level, we can read such splendid, because vapid, isolation as a metaphor for the Poznan conference itself. The western media is already calling it a no-go. Already, it has been columnised that Obama might not be ready even for Copenhagen (irrespective of what Dobriansky and Co. do or do not do at Poznan). The focus of Europe is on the EU climate deal currently being hammered out under Sarkozy&#8217;s straying gaze. 9 eastern european nations have already refused to wilt under his non-seeing eyes.</p>
<p>All eyeballs are on December 11 and 12: no, not on the Poznan ministerial, but on the summit at Brussles where EU+15 must convince EU+27 on a plan to cut GHG emissions.</p>
<p>Bear with the bear. The world itself has been neatly poleaxed this time.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Loaded communication by Girish nanda</title>
		<link>http://climatenoise.wordpress.com/2008/12/08/loaded-communication/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>Girish nanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what does irritate me is...
global warming is a problem created by the industrialised...at our expense!
and now we are expected to toe the line to arrive at solution...again at our expense...no maybe its the agenda of our industrial elite...who don&#039;t want to see their margins dropping.

So,no one cuts emissions...nothing happens
and i am fed the nonsense of polar bears...which i will get to see only if i have the money to travel to the poles or to the countries with zoos full of them...and then it hits me...while these smart ****  talk about their polar bears,
 who talks of the human rights of the millions, who have unwittingly become our first line of defence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what does irritate me is&#8230;<br />
global warming is a problem created by the industrialised&#8230;at our expense!<br />
and now we are expected to toe the line to arrive at solution&#8230;again at our expense&#8230;no maybe its the agenda of our industrial elite&#8230;who don&#8217;t want to see their margins dropping.</p>
<p>So,no one cuts emissions&#8230;nothing happens<br />
and i am fed the nonsense of polar bears&#8230;which i will get to see only if i have the money to travel to the poles or to the countries with zoos full of them&#8230;and then it hits me&#8230;while these smart ****  talk about their polar bears,<br />
 who talks of the human rights of the millions, who have unwittingly become our first line of defence.</p>
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		<title>Comment on WWW by climatenoise</title>
		<link>http://climatenoise.wordpress.com/2008/12/07/www/#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>climatenoise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An old leader published in Down To Earth, just after climate men got Nobel Peace prize:

Peace is a moving target

This year’s Nobel Peace Prize prepares the world for a war against climate terror


Interestingly, the unconventional choice of peaceniks, Al Gore and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), by the Nobel committee has not created a public outcry. In fact, it has been lauded in all quarters, barring the ‘denial’ lobby. Over the years, the committee has made eclectic (and sometimes curious) attempts to enlarge and reinterpret the meaning of peace, hence focussing on the nature of war too. This time the award, probably, did not raise a controversy because the issue seemed larger than the awardees. The choice, undoubtedly, should place the climate change debate on the centrestage. Or are we being naive?
	Awards have a tendency to become a fashionable topic, specially when one of the awardees is already an Oscar winner. The danger is the focus will be on the celebrity and the issue will go out of the window or be underplayed. So, we will have to remember that this award for peace is also about a war to be won as also that climate change is as political an issue as armed conflicts, poverty or access to credit. The problem lies here. 
	Who are we fighting in our war against climate change? The 2,500 scientists of IPCC who share the prize with Gore told us after long calculations—delayed reaction?—that climate change is human-induced. The fact is that all humans are not equal and that is where the politics of climate change comes in. But let’s give the IPCC scientists their due. Criticised by activists as too hesitant, they have put the bad news out. Given the high political and business stakes involved in climate, one must congratulate IPCC captain Dr Pachauri’s political acumen in negotiating the tough terrain of vested interests and steering his team to the prize.
	On the other hand, Gore’s track record as vice-president of the US—the world’s largest climate criminal—is under the scanner. In office, he was anti-union and a friend of the oil industry and Big Tobacco. He didn’t get his country into multilateral climate negotiations. His post-office activism, thus, has to be seen as posturing. But forget history, now we are just talking about an award ‘for efforts to build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change’. Only we can’t. Remember Kissinger, Begin, Rabin.
	They offer us a note of caution. Let’s hope climate change does not suffer the same fate as conflicts for which prizes have been given. After all, nothing has changed in West Asia or the streets of Kolkata.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An old leader published in Down To Earth, just after climate men got Nobel Peace prize:</p>
<p>Peace is a moving target</p>
<p>This year’s Nobel Peace Prize prepares the world for a war against climate terror</p>
<p>Interestingly, the unconventional choice of peaceniks, Al Gore and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), by the Nobel committee has not created a public outcry. In fact, it has been lauded in all quarters, barring the ‘denial’ lobby. Over the years, the committee has made eclectic (and sometimes curious) attempts to enlarge and reinterpret the meaning of peace, hence focussing on the nature of war too. This time the award, probably, did not raise a controversy because the issue seemed larger than the awardees. The choice, undoubtedly, should place the climate change debate on the centrestage. Or are we being naive?<br />
	Awards have a tendency to become a fashionable topic, specially when one of the awardees is already an Oscar winner. The danger is the focus will be on the celebrity and the issue will go out of the window or be underplayed. So, we will have to remember that this award for peace is also about a war to be won as also that climate change is as political an issue as armed conflicts, poverty or access to credit. The problem lies here.<br />
	Who are we fighting in our war against climate change? The 2,500 scientists of IPCC who share the prize with Gore told us after long calculations—delayed reaction?—that climate change is human-induced. The fact is that all humans are not equal and that is where the politics of climate change comes in. But let’s give the IPCC scientists their due. Criticised by activists as too hesitant, they have put the bad news out. Given the high political and business stakes involved in climate, one must congratulate IPCC captain Dr Pachauri’s political acumen in negotiating the tough terrain of vested interests and steering his team to the prize.<br />
	On the other hand, Gore’s track record as vice-president of the US—the world’s largest climate criminal—is under the scanner. In office, he was anti-union and a friend of the oil industry and Big Tobacco. He didn’t get his country into multilateral climate negotiations. His post-office activism, thus, has to be seen as posturing. But forget history, now we are just talking about an award ‘for efforts to build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change’. Only we can’t. Remember Kissinger, Begin, Rabin.<br />
	They offer us a note of caution. Let’s hope climate change does not suffer the same fate as conflicts for which prizes have been given. After all, nothing has changed in West Asia or the streets of Kolkata.</p>
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		<title>Comment on C for Change by meeta ahlawat</title>
		<link>http://climatenoise.wordpress.com/2008/12/07/c-for-change/#comment-6</link>
		<dc:creator>meeta ahlawat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 09:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we need someone to decode the cryptic climate debates in a smarter way like the activist bear in the photo..
but alas all this effort seems to be in vain.. many conferences, many meetings, many seminars and countless debates but no staunch action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we need someone to decode the cryptic climate debates in a smarter way like the activist bear in the photo..<br />
but alas all this effort seems to be in vain.. many conferences, many meetings, many seminars and countless debates but no staunch action.</p>
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		<title>Comment on WWW by Malavika reddy</title>
		<link>http://climatenoise.wordpress.com/2008/12/07/www/#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator>Malavika reddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 09:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i once heard an activist say...&quot;closely follow the nobel prizes, depending on who&#039;s won...you&#039;lll be able to predict the next big industry the world will be pitching its hope on&quot;.

After the Al gore-IPCC team won, business iterests in environment have been legitimised.

That explains all the job offers i am suddenly flooded with, i am an MSc in environmental sciences and was umemployed for the past four yrs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i once heard an activist say&#8230;&#8221;closely follow the nobel prizes, depending on who&#8217;s won&#8230;you&#8217;lll be able to predict the next big industry the world will be pitching its hope on&#8221;.</p>
<p>After the Al gore-IPCC team won, business iterests in environment have been legitimised.</p>
<p>That explains all the job offers i am suddenly flooded with, i am an MSc in environmental sciences and was umemployed for the past four yrs.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hot Air by Srikanth Nagabothu</title>
		<link>http://climatenoise.wordpress.com/2008/12/08/hot-air/#comment-3</link>
		<dc:creator>Srikanth Nagabothu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 05:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good one! 
it&#039;s easy to talk-CLIMATE CHANGE
much easier to debate
the easiest to chalk out out policies
but when it hits closer home, when we need to make lifestyle changes....yeah! that hurts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good one!<br />
it&#8217;s easy to talk-CLIMATE CHANGE<br />
much easier to debate<br />
the easiest to chalk out out policies<br />
but when it hits closer home, when we need to make lifestyle changes&#8230;.yeah! that hurts.</p>
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